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S6, Ep 8 How to Fail: Jane Garvey

How To Fail With Elizabeth Day

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The Challenges of Being a White Woman

I'm still battling with it myself about, do men understand that in the past, probably their grandmothers like mine wouldn't have had the opportunities? And then my generation, we've been given, as I've already said, working lives that our female relatives couldn't have dreamt of. So we've had the opportunities, but the truth of it is that I will retire not having earned as much as very, very many of my male counterparts as presenters. But at some point you have to ask those questions and you have to wake up and become woke because life isn't an exercise in narcissism. Life is actually about connection with other people and understanding where other people are coming from

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