I think for me, my just utter fascination with science has been that kind of transcendental walkand and i've tended to see that the progress of humanity in understanding the world around us as one of increasing humility. And so from my vantage, religions te posit that there is a god who created the universe, who also made us in his image. That does not communicate humility. It can cause people to feel a sense of entitlement of hubrus,. Some do not how dread that hubrusis endemic to the human experience. I agree. There's an awful lot of it going around. What we need to do is, of course, not to be, not to fall prey to the hub