A year plus into the podcast, certain themes keep reappearing even though I talked to very different people about very different things. The idea of cities and urbanization as a major driver of the future of the world is absolutely one of them. And now you're saying that in some sense, major political trends worldwide and in the United States especially have a lot to do withurbanization as a phenomenon. Yeah. So like what’s happening now? And so the genesis of this paper was trying to understand basically why Trump won the election, but also why Brexit was happening,. Why populist nationalist parties keep winning more and more vote share in even the most liberal European countries.

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