"There's really two problems with measurement. There's the problem of actually getting the data and then there's a problem of people sitting around the data," he says. "If you're just a devax team of one, you don't have a lot of political capital, right? You do not." And so by bringing in like the external, like third party, the independent auditor, they can bring us in and say, look, this is an industry standard way to measure how we stack up against other teams that are working on similar projects.

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