melvourne: For me, my founding father. He is the father of my history. I wouldn't be here, in a way, i think, neither esther nor tom. But for him, he kicked it all off. And then, of course, it's his reception, through thucydides and so forth, that make him still so live and lively. Right. What was what did we not say? You'd like tohave said most urgently, perhaps the we could talk a little bit more about the roll of fortune,. The ways in which that conflicts with ideas of fate has always been an interesting hobby horse on this show.

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