The Interface Layer Is Managing Complexity

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I think that what that interface is one of the ways that we engineers, humans, manage this complexity. And I have another kind of example of that interface managing complexity, which is the default. We'll have things like defaults where you can kind of get as much of that complexity as you want and no more than you need. But until you do, that complexity is hidden from you.

We explore technology's origins, what technology wants, and advising Steven Spielberg on Minority Report. We’re joined by Kevin Kelly, founding executive editor of WIRED. We cover what technology wants, Magic Leap and virtual worlds, and Kevin’s work on Minority Report..

“What is this thing we call technology? In the cosmological sense, like, where does it fit in? How does it relate to life? And my current summary would be that it is an extension of life and therefore is not contrary to life. It's an extended version of life—and that gives me hope, because it means that we can always make a greener version of whatever we make.” – Kevin Kelly

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This episode is our definitive guide to technology's origins, what technology wants. In it we cover:

(00:00:00) – Introduction
(00:01:38) – The turning point for Kevin's relationship with technology
(00:06:32) – What technology wants
(00:12:05) – General purpose vs. specialized technology
(00:17:49 – Kevin's start with Wired magazine
(00:25:59) – Magic Leap and virtual worlds
(00:34:19) – Kevin's work on Minority Report
(00:39:03) – Kevin’s newsletter, Recomendo

ABOUT KEVIN KELLY AND WIRED

Kevin Kelly was the Founding Executive Editor at WIRED magazine and is the author of multiple bestselling books, including What Technology Wants and the New York Times bestseller The Inevitable: Understanding The 12 Technological Forces That Will Shape Our Future. His perspectives of science and technology have been featured in the New York Times, The Economist, and Time Magazine.

Kevin helped shape the world of Minority Report as a futurist advisor to Stephen Spielberg, and he helped dream up the gestural interface shown in the film, which is something we talk about a little bit in the interview. Today, Kevin publishes a weekly newsletter called Recomendo as well as the weekly podcast, Cool Tools.

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