Naval, Tim Ferriss at first was free. It's like all free work. We were okay going into debt over free work. David Sacks really took a liking to us because... Why? Why would he like you too? Right. He's got these rants on the podcast. And we could basically edit all those interruptions out and condense his takes into 60 seconds. So they just end up being like decently good friends with David Sacks.

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