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Jacob is near the beginning of his career, and so i wanted to know what did he see as a path going forward? Because place is very important to me. Am with t underwriting am onsorship. So sponsorship, advertising, essentially, this is probably the most common business model for a podcast right now. Other members of the herd are starting new audio businesses and working on securing funding from public media. They've considered crowd funding. It's not going to happen overnight. Um, you just got to make the next thing.