Emily, did you have a sense of where that momentum was taking you? Where did that sort of drive and ambition come from? It wasn't like this, i want to be famous, and this is how we do it. I had a sense, even before we knew we were gay, that we were doing something as outsiders. And i always looked for outsider spaces, because i felt like, we're not going to fit in at a folk club,. But you have to get in those spaces to get good enough. That's the thing about being women in music. If women are never given a chance to be in those spaces, we cannot get better.