Did You Think He Was a Little Naive, Maybe Going Into It?

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"I was not naive to the twentieth power any level of naivete that you think i had. It was expinantially worse than that," he says. "My impact with washington, the way washington actually works, was so foreign to me." He also reveals his first job interview in a hundred per cent pollyester and how it made him look like an undertaker.

Chris Hirst, Global CEO of advertising group Havas Creative, cuts through the bullshit and gets to the heart of modern leadership in this straight-talking podcast brought to you by Intelligence Squared.

In this episode, Christ Hirst speaks to Anthony Scaramucci, the former White House Director of Communications - a post he held for an infamous 11 days under President Donald Trump in 2017. The majority of Scaramucci’s career has actually been spent outside politics. He is the founder of global investment firm SkyBridge Capital. In 2011, Scaramucci received the EY Entrepreneur of the Year award and in 2016 was listed in Worth magazine's "100 Most Powerful People in Global Finance". He spoke to Chris Hirst about leading as an entrepreneur, having the tenacity to fail upwards, working for Donald Trump - and what he would do if Trump ran for President again.

If you enjoyed this podcast please let us know what you think by rating and reviewing No Bullsh*t Leadership on Apple Podcasts. For updates on the series follow @intelligence2 and @chrishirst on Twitter. Producer & Editor: Bella Soames; Technical Support: Mark Roberts. Chris Hirst is author of the award-winning book No Bulls*ht Leadership: Why the World Needs More Everyday Leaders and Why That Leader Is You.

Podnotes:

00:00 Intro
04:20 Your leadership style
06:02 The word you would delete from the bullsh*t business jargon dictionary
06:30 The leader you most admire
7:13 The best advice you’ve ever been given
10:14 Were you naive when you took the job at the White House?
13:09 Being fired and rehired by Goldman Sachs
17:35 Learnings from your first job
20:23 Differences in leadership as entrepreneur vs. an established corporate environment
23:30 Why you were always going to become an entrepreneur
26:32 How you ended up working for Donald Trump
30:48 Getting it wrong on Donald Trump
32:39 The influence of social media on modern leadership styles
34:27 The societal problems that made Donald Trump electable
35:53 Will Donald Trump run for president again?
38:40 Suffering from self-doubt
40:40 Getting it wrong on the impact of the pandemic in early 2020
41:55 What next?