Quotes from the episode

For us to be talking about something like unlearning or ungrading, there’s an irony in that because we are the people who need to do that work the most and the people for whom that work is probably the hardest.
-Jesse Stommel

The only wrong way to do something is to do it unintentionally, to do it in a way that isn’t carefully thinking through what we’re doing.
-Jesse Stommel