There's an immense amount of what i would call tinkering. A lot of this is equivalent to what we talked about with mat ridley, when we talked about innovation. And its incremental advances, incrementa a hope, hope to have incrimental advances, and it's going down dead hens. These guys that they spent years, they spend literally years on an approach that may not work. It's admirable.

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