Is It Harder to Stir People Up on the International Trade and So On?

All four of the kinds of liberalism that you talk about are more under threat than it feels like they have been in a while. So I wonder in the longer term because you were the leader of an organization that exists to not just keep genuinely liberal ideas alive but to attempt to make them more and more central to our society. That's a long term project no it would be nice if we could win that tomorrow but we're not going to that's a longterm project.

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