I think that a description of the experience itself and the feelings that you have during such experiences is much more accurate than trying to sum them up in a word like spirituality. So I'd rather talk about the experience and we can give it, when you and I talk about it in this conversation, we could call it number 17 or number 18 or the letter gamma. We can refer to it in any way that we want as long as we know what we're referring to.

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