Okay, what is the one book we should read if we want to learn to think more like data scientists? This

will cause a stir. The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. You're

going to recommend Thomas Kuhn?

I am going to recommend Thomas Kuhn.

Even though he got so much so wrong.

Yes. I did not understand that science is fun until I read that book. You have to read the whole book, but skim it. And I thought he did get a lot wrong, but I think that the humility that comes with totally changing our worldview, even though we think it's very, very set in stone, was something that was revelatory to me. That's

actually a really compelling rationale. I remember reading it as a freshman in college, and I guess in some ways it planted the seeds for Think Again, because I was horrified that entire communities of scientists, they stuck to their guns instead of believing the evidence. Yeah, exactly. I remember it really bothering me. I never made this connection until you brought it up, but it really bothered me that one of the main arguments of that book was that science progresses one funeral at a time. Yes. I'm like, well, why does it have to be that way? A good scientist would change their mind when presented with new data.

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Maybe I should study that.

Okay. Yeah. What's your best life lesson from being a circus performer?

Best lesson I learned from someone named Bendy Bendini, who is a contortionist and sword swallower. He swallows two swords. Have you heard of that? Two swords. He was teaching me how to do a bed of nails. And the bed of nails is exactly what it sounds like. It's a whole bunch of wood with a whole bunch of nails sticking out of it, you know, kind of a square, very big, very serious nails. And I was like, surely there's some trick. You're not really lying on the nails. You this, you that. And there is some, you know, there's some basic physics to it where you want to be straight down and not rub back and forth, you know, to not rip your skin off. But it still hurts no matter what. His advice to me, he was like, I was about to go on stage and do it for the first time. And he was like, here you go. All you need to know is it's just pain. And I was like, that's not very helpful, is it? Like, it's going to hurt. That's not great. But it actually really helps because in the moment, as long as that's not to excuse serious amounts of pain, but in the moment, it's like it hurts, but it's okay. And it's not dangerous. It's just pain. And so I actually at the time dismissed it as just barely helpful. But since then, this is about 10 years ago, I think about it all of the time when I'm upset about something or frustrated about something or scared or nervous. I think, well, it's just pain. And that actually helps me get through it unless it's life threatening. And usually it's not. Luckily. Speaking

of pain, agree or disagree.

All right. This

is my thesis.