I love Todd Henry. I really liked hurting tigers is another one that I know you're going to talk about. But you know, you held up the physical book. I have everything on Kindle. So if you were, you know, listening in your like me and your wife will not let you have any more books, you can get all these on Kindle and not take them so much space. Yeah. And ultimately it just comes down to he believes everybody's creative. He's a speaker and an author and creator who has been around podcasting longer than I have.

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