JT Ellison is a New York Times best-selling author of more than 25 novels that collectively have millions of copies in print. She writes standalone thrillers, including It's One of Us and Her Dark Lies. We get into the details of what actually makes the difference in finding traction in a career or just being someone who occasionally does national novel writing month and then gives up. And at the end I say, JT, imagine that there is a million dollar bounty that you can reap if I successfully, me, Cal, successfully sell a thriller novel.