Lucas: I was only getting referrals from sites like Upwork another job posting websites until I realized that I was basically at the whims of that platform. So my thinking was I need to kind of take this experience that I have on Upwork and translate it into something that's real after even like three or four months I didn't even have a website but would literally just had an Upwork profile. He then started emailing people that were in similar businesses so at this time I wasn't niche myself down at all I was literally just doing Facebook ads for anyone and anyone anyone who needed the help. Lucas says you can't just expect people are going to pay you from day one what you

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