The 100 Year War for American Conservatism

The Republican party has always seemed to need Donald Trump more than he needs it. I would say only that American politics has been very strange indeed since Donald Trump wrote down that escalator in 2015. Do you think the kind of, whether you talk about the fusionism of the Reagan era, or kind of more establishment, from one of a better word conservatism, is that still in recession? You've just said that with these governors of people like DeSantis and Kemp and Abbott, these are populist Republicans,. Is that now do you think established?