i had to go and pick up a package from the postman right now in my old apartment, in my old pod room. The podcast would often be interrupted by the post man. And i'd have to quickly pause the podcast, dash down to the front door,. Get get the package, and then come straight back to do this. By the time i got back, yes, i was boiling hot. And it was as if i'd just run the london marathon or something. So i think three minutes is probably the maximum time that the postman will wait because postmen in paris are very er e. In fact, a lot of the time they don't even want to