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Sara Billups wrote a book for disillusioned evangelicals who don't want to give up on their faith

The Long Game

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The Importance of Consumerism

Sarah Billups: I spend a lot of time talking about Instagram influencers, sort of like churchish, wellness culture. She says she sees ways that the market and the industry has really mirrored the kind of larger American American kind of consumeristic thing. John Ward: Well, you have to go and and we've talked for a while, but I just wanted to end by saying that it's a real delight to meet you over zoom  and I hope we get to meet in person. The Long Game airs Sundays at 9 p.m. ET on CNN.

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