We Need Less Product Managers, Right?

In a company with 600 engineers and 60 product development teams, each one of those teams is not a cordum co product. You don't need someone managing this idea that the product manage might be managing up and managing across. And you know, what we need are sort of product design thinkers, or systems thinkers, or service design thinkers. It's much more service oriented than it is traditional product oriented.