I think that the reason why in our culture, in my house, eating cats and dogs is bad is because I have cats and I'm attached to them. And that's an emotional feeling that I as a human being have. Now, this is this is different than suffering, of course. The real world killing often does involve suffering. And I think that suffering is bad. And there's no doubt that in the real world of farming, animals often suffer. And I disagree with that. I am in favor of the animals on farms living as happy as a life as they can up until the moment that they are killed. But the actual suffering in the moment that animals undergo should be minimized

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