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95. Zero Carbon Europe : Blue Pill or Red Pill? - Apr23

Redefining Energy

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The Transition Is Hard

Vaclav Smill: At least Doug had the honesty to lay out his vision and will respectfully disagree. But what I did take out of Doug is there's no doubt that the transition is hard. And it's hard, particularly in the Western world, because we've got just so many incumbent interests," he says. "I'm taking the red pill."

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