Tamler: When I met Dawkins to do this documentary and they had me discuss him, there was this moment where I had this sort of very surreal moment. One of the chapters in Self-As-Gene that I actually just thought didn't go anywhere was his chapter on the medics. And so as part of talking to Dawkins and discussing him, the producer really wanted me to gross him out. Show some real gross sex stuff. There's one called Lemon Party, which is essentially three old men filating each other. The guy who invented the concept of a meme is now getting shown what this has become. Like your word now refers to like 75 year olds glowing each other. Nice