She worked for some company, Google it, Max, where she worked. And you see a woman in charge of the Secret Service. Of course, I have no problem with a woman in charge of the Secret Service. But I'd prefer it very much if I could see the woman in charge of Secret Service. oh, she must be a hell of a woman rather than saying, did they just look around, especially what comes from the Biden administration? They had to hire a woman and then when you look at her background, it's not like she came out of CIA or some sort of military thing. Kimberly

H. Sheedle.

Yeah.

She does

this all the time. You'd think she would have had it all? Yeah, it was Pepsi. Pepsi. She was, and what was her position at Pepsi? She was an executive.

An executive at Pepsi. I wonder what did she like handle Mountain Dew at least? Like one of the spicier brands?

I mean on its face, you say why did you hire an executive from Pepsi to be in charge of the secret service?

But you know, so just to go, you know, yeah, and I mean, I'm not like it's fucked up.

And then you can Google who the previous ones were and what their resumes were for comparison. I remember like who ran FEMA under George W. Bush.

It was like, yeah, way to go, Brandy. The heck of a job, Brandy. A guy who like had run the American Association of Arabian horse breeding or something. The guy who was put in charge, the doctor who was put in charge of MK ultra, the mind control program that the Defense Department and the CIA did after in the in the 50s into the 60s know they started dosing people with LSD without telling them to figure out. I just learned

about that last week.

Yeah no and it's like breed, uh, poiser, and chief. The guy had no qualifications for that. You know the people who were in charge of torture in Afghanistan, they were like dentists or something. I mean like you

whenever

you look into this stuff it's it's just a wilderness of of error I think.

And yet in the 40s and 50s and 60s, there were a lot of competent people.

What I know, but you're saying that like who like Robert McNamara, right? Who went from you who went from running General Motors to running the Vietnam War disastrously?

The running General Motors is not the... No,

but it was, yeah, but I mean, this is that you...

Rex Tillerson was going from Exxon to be Secretary of State. Yeah, that's... She

was the senior director in global security at Pepsi, to be fair, and she also... What does global security mean at Pepsi? Maybe it means something. For more than 25 years, including on Biden's security detail while he was vice president. Okay. Fair. I mean, you guys are making her sounds like she was like running like a vending machine. Yeah.

She emptied the, she went and she had a big route, you know, where she would go around at empty vending machines in a

statement announcing her appointment. Biden said he quote had complete trust in sheet all to whom in 2021, his detail.

Look, and also that now conspiracy theories. I mean, this is where you run out of time soon. You've seen the conspiracy theories that are going around or staged

was trending on Twitter with it like to, you know, actually, it would have been great if stage was trending on Twitter like two minutes before the assassination attempt. But I mean serious people I know are open -minded that this

was a conspiracy that maybe Biden was in on it. I mean yeah

that I well I've seen mostly from a hardcore kind of right -wing sources and I think it's trolling you know but saying that you know Biden had been kind of short sheeting the Secret Service deployment for Trump all along and you know, and they won't give it to Bobby Kennedy Jr. you know, who comes from a family where it's like, if you're not flying the plane into the ocean yourself, you're getting killed, you know, or driving the car into the water. And I, this to me might be like a new level of stupidity where you know you say like smart people I know are people who are not clearly in the booby hatch are starting to say no you you know come on you have to understand and like this I saw a lot of this with COVID I saw a lot of this with all sorts of things in the 21st century. And it worries me when people who seem to be kind of serious are so desperate to maintain their rapidly deteriorating world and framework. The

whole thing disturbs me very much. Tucker Carlson is sitting a few chairs away from the president. Yeah, you know and We've talked about I think before Tucker Carlson goes on his show and says that the American government is keeping a secret about supernatural Soldiers of Satan who kill people that appear to us as UFOs You would think that would be the end of Tucker Carlson. But it's not, and he has 20 other conspiracies. Candace Owens says, Macron's wife is a man. And Tucker goes on Joe Rogan and says that Alex Jones is a supernatural prophet. And Joe Rogan won't go that far, but Joe Rogan says, well, yeah, he is. You know, he gets a lot of things right. There's something going on there. And then Joe Rogan says that the Jews killed JFK because he was going to make APAC register as a foreign agent. Oh, really? Yeah, and all of this is just becoming too acceptable and polite company, as it were. And I think it's fucking dangerous.

What do you think is driving that? I don't know. Yeah. Because for me it's you know it it's it's harder. Well here let me try a meta theory on this and this was easier to do like 15 years ago but it was there was a wide appreciation for the idea that older institutions and kind of centralized institutions of power both in the government but also in the private sector. And I big corporations, we understood that it was harder and harder for the Federal Reserve to really pump up or pump down the money supply or prices and whatnot. that it was hard for governments to really control people, because we all have so much technology and kind of wealth and we can kind of figure out how to do whatever we want. Churches couldn't make people show up anymore. And I think that that's still true. And it's not all it doesn't mean it's all clear sailing. It means that like a lot of stuff that we could depend on and rely on gets disrupted or we haven't quite found out how to get to the next level where we don't worry about this kind of stuff. We're in a liminal space between the past and whatever the future's gonna look like. And I think people in politics, this has become harder and harder. Like we haven't in the entire 21st century, we haven't had a stable governing majority of, you know, where the White House has, you know, the same party as the White House, Congress, you know, both has a Congress for a long time, it keeps changing every six years, typically every two years or something like that, because it's harder and harder to control things. And in those moments, people start to glom onto conspiracy theories to, to kind of give themselves psychological sucker to, you know, make it through the day. Because think about it, like if you were, you know, if you're a Biden supporter, like, man, that's gotta be hard because you know, when we saw all of this for the past couple months, where it's like, oh, those are all cheap fakes, they're deep fakes, it's like, they're zeroing in on Biden and it's unfair, blah, blah, blah. And then it's like, you just wait. And then that debate, and even the people who I mean, even Jill was probably like, you know, we got a we got a fucking get rid of this guy and you know, so they're flipping out and I think a lot of people didn't you Know didn't believe that Trump could win didn't believe that Trump could come back, you know, etc. And like so there's a lot of freakouts

Look, we all believe in democracy But we may be getting or we going to have to learn how to be quite as democratic as we are now, especially with the free flow of information. We did use to lean a lot on gatekeepers. I'm sure that whole chapters of history that we believe are completely untrue, But they were picked from the more responsible, smarter, more stayed circles. And they kind of told us what to believe.

I don't agree with that. I mean, I think that they were picked from certain groups.

I mean, Walter Cronkite would be out there saying Trump is Hitler, you know?

Well, no, he probably would be at this point. Yeah, maybe. And was it a better world when Walter Cronkite got, you know, 50% of all TV viewers watching him. He was a bullshit artist and he was he was a mask for power. I this is where I'm not just libertarian. But I'm also very antinomian. Like, I don't like the establishment. I don't like power because it always masks itself as correct or, you know, smarter. And like the fact is, it's not smarter. And I feel I'm very happy to have grown up, even if we are kind of like, you know, little fires everywhere or breaking out. It's like, I would rather live in this world than a world where you, you know, it, you, you couldn't find out what was true or what was not true. And you had no options around that. I was going to say, I agree with you. But two that might make you feel a

little bit better. And then I got to read the sponsor thing. But one

is that we worry about democracy, but compared to like the year 2000, so many more people are participating in elections, legally. There isn't a lot of voter fraud or anything like that, but the voter participation rates are way, way up across the board. So this is what democracy looks like. It wasn't the old thing where it's like, eh, you don't fucking bother. Like Georgia is a state that's been contested. Georgia has like unbelievably intense and high rates of voter participation, especially compared to New York, because in New York, you kind of know like your vote doesn't matter because the fixes in any way and then like, you're gonna, they're gonna lose tons of vote. There's, there's Bernie votes from the 2016 primary that went missing that have never been counted, you know, so it's like this is, we're actually in a mega democratic moment now where more people are voting than ever.

All right, democracy is, I mean, voting is the final step in that process of democracy. And more voting on paper, I guess, is good. It's more engagement. But everything that goes on behind that and into that decision of who to vote for and choose the candidates and all that stuff. It's

just. It's got to change.

Yeah. The fact that the fact that a total mentally ill conspiracy theorist is sitting two seats from the president of the United States at a Republican convention. Yeah. This is something different. Yeah. And next. It's not good twenty twenty eight. Maybe he's going to be sitting right next or even be the candidate.

So the other thing I was going to say so. OK. This is what democracy looks like. And it's you know it's kind of like it's ugly. Right. Or it's not pretty yet. The other thing is the solution to this of course is you know if we if we adopt a broadly view, and so a government at all levels has less control over how you live your life, we can relax a little bit, because then every election isn't quite the end or the beginning of everything that is good and decent or the beginning of a new tyranny. It's like, if the government was half the size it was and focused on people who actually need help, you know what, we'd have a better economy, we'd have fewer poor people, and we wouldn't be at each other's throats because we would be arguing over tastes and preference rather than, you know, one law that we all have to live by.