I was at Schumacher when George Marshall talked to us all about work he'd done in Alberta with the tar sands. He had transformed that to, yes, we are proud, transformative Albertans and the world depends on us for its power. So it's very, it has a very strong libertarian kind of thread of solar punk,. You know, becoming independent self-reliant. And I'm really interested in how you think we connect with people for whom connection with others outside their tribe is probably not a priority currently.

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