How to Motivate Patients to Try Non-Pharmacologic Treatments

I think we really sometimes don't think very carefully about like what it takes anyone to be motivated to change their behaviors any of us. So I think again thinking about ways where we sort of flip things around is that you very much put which of these non-pharmacologic treatments do you want to try under their control and what are the functional goals that you want me as your provider to help you attain. And patients may do a lot more to attain those goals than some of the ways we've tried to motivate them in the past.