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Is There a Utopian Vision?
The right-leaning version of that, the kind of capitalist utopia, free market, free people to buy and live, however they want to live, seems to have really broken down. And in its place, we have this kind of proto-nationalism populism which hasn't even figured out what it is yet. I think there's a lot of aspirations that yes, if we can just change how we educate people, we're on the path to utopia. So for a while, particularly after 1989, when you had the fall of communism, the utopia was the globe. All that's happened is the utopia is shrunken down.