Virus was not sufficiently deadly and instead because it wasn't very deadly what happened is the current system started to politicize it. Our lives are too comfortable i think in uh in the developed world things are too good, we have not faced severe dangers one that danger that's when we step up on a small scale and a large scale nowi don't agree with you but our views are largely convergent but not completely so i'm still as far as far as i know there's still a lot of uncertainty about that nobody wants to see this as an engineering problem that needs to be solved he says.