Many languages have values that are like local and copy types of values. In Python everything is a pointer, right? This is this code board conspiracy theory thing, right? There's there's no concept of oh, I created this on the stack and when the function returns, it's gone. That's a bit of a mental thing. People got to get used to just like how much? Because when you come from a language like C++ or something pointers and these reference type ideas are like right in your face,.