Hibago Iad is a system professor of sociology at boston university. Her writing has appeared in academic journals including gender and society, ethnic and racial studies as well as outlets like slate al Jazeera and teen vogue. She's the author of the book refuge how the state shapes human potential which was published by Princeton university press in 2022 hibba will join us in just a moment stay with us we are joined now by Hibago Iad.

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