Sax: There's too much evidence of sophisticated behavior here again. We overnight went from train self as a smart guy in the room to the babe in the woods and so for example when you look at the construction of all these entities, there was intentionality but time what happened. Sax: I only think an insider could have pulled off something at this scale. He says he doesn't agree that the criminal would have wanted free unregulated Bahamian based trading.