Speaker 1
That's a differnt copy of
Speaker 3
little women than the one i recohe's on steroids then? Do you think they'll be testing afterwards, after the wars? An now i'm afraid he's been discorted. F on goes back. I'm afraid to zalensky. Maybe
Speaker 1
that's why people are sick so far apart from him at the table, that theyre worried he's going in to a quadruple salko. All of a sudden
Speaker 3
some of the su is sa, the wone when boris johnson went to meet the troops at brys norton, and he went to meet some air force men, i think, and some one on the cabinet said, mister johnson, the prime minister to day was on the front line. And it wasn't on the front line. He was in oxfordshire.
Speaker 3
someone who prides himself on being a historian, who's written books about history and war, but he's clearly got me. If he was on master mine and his specialist subject was war, they'd ask what was the front line of the franco prussian war. Croydon. Croydon
Speaker 1
on the friday night can't feel a bit like the front line of the that the strategy from the wees militarily. There's not a lot that can be done. In a lot of talk about why, no sonse impam, is the strategy just to hope that vladimir potin gets bumped off by
Speaker 2
a bodyguard like the roman emperor he evidently dreams of being. I think the strategy is to try and basically create two worlds. To say, you say putin that the open and free world is weak because it's open and free. We say it's strong for that reason. And to prove it, we're going to exclude you and all the people associated with you the open and free world. And you'll then realize the advantages that you get, and your countrymen get, from being in the open and free world. It won't work on him, but as we discovered in the cold world, none of these leaders are around for ever. It will showt the benefits of freedom over autocracy. Suan, you're optimistic that will come in the shorter term. Thats if you look at the invasion of hungary in 19 56, 35 years until hungary was liberated. So i'm not optimistic. You can't be optimistic. You know, for all that zalenski is such an amazing hero, so extraordinary, yo've got to admire his bravery, but you've also got to think the situation there is just very, very grim, and we can't be optimistic that it's going to end soon or well.