285. Helen Joyce — Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality
The Michael Shermer Show
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You Keep Pushing Back?
"I don't know what i'm going to do next. There's a few directions i could go in, and i don't know," he says. "My friend jery diamond, you know, the author of guns, germs and steel, he e'e'. He's pretty big, but he's old school. He can barely operate a computer, and someone else checks his email." 'If we get enough of his will reverse the trend,' asks Helen sacley. "'We'll keep pushing back', that's how it works.' And they'll still kick you on your way down, right? Yes,'" she adds. ''They've worked out that its harder because
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