This is Jocko podcast number 398 with echo Charles and me Jocko Willingka. Ephraim Mattis served in the SEAL teams and when he got done with the SEAL teams He joined the humanitarian group called free Burma Rangers Where he fought in the Battle of Mazul And it's an honor to have him with us here tonight to share Some of his experiences his lessons learnedWhat he's doing now with a stronghold rescue And everything that he's got going on ephraim thanks for coming down man appreciate it Thanks for having me on and good to be here.