I feel like we do have a common way of getting to the bottom of something. I think its his main point. It's not that it's impossible for somebodyo to come around to it, but like with the visual perception stuff as a metaphor rather than a specific case of what he's talking about. And other words, you can see it as a duck or you can sees it as a rabbit whet. You can't do as see it as both. Thatis, but, but it is this gastalt shift. Again, i think of it as useful, like the so it's a metaphor.