The Money Expert: 5 Businesses That Can Make You RICH (Without a 9-to-5!) ft. Codie Sanchez
The Burnouts with Phoebe & Sophia
Codie's Career Path and 'Fuck You' Thermometer
She traces corporate ascent, leaving roles, and the pivotal moment that pushed her to start her own path.
Codie Sanchez breaks down why chasing fame is a losing game—and why real wealth is often built quietly through “boring” businesses most people overlook. Drawing on her background in institutional finance and small-business acquisitions, Codie explains how she spots unfair opportunities, why she exited industries like cannabis despite strong returns, and which unsexy sectors can consistently generate cash today.
The conversation dives into college versus trade school, the true value of elite networks, and how parental expectations can hold young people back from building the life they actually want. Codie shares practical advice on making more money early in your career—finding your unfair advantage, helping your boss win, stacking skills, and learning to negotiate by understanding how value is really created inside a business.
They also cover sales, mentorship, investing basics, and how to start learning deals without taking reckless risks. Codie closes with a candid take on investing in your health, appearance, and resilience—arguing that winning often comes down to doing hard things early and playing the game as it actually exists, not how we wish it worked.
Chapters
0:00 Rich vs Famous
3:17 Overlooked Businesses & Early Investing
9:42 Why Boring Businesses Win
17:11 College, Trade School & Social Capital
26:08 Parents, Pressure & Choosing Advice
34:19 How to Make More Money Early
42:07 Sales, Skills & Standing Out at Work
50:23 Investing Basics & Learning Deals
57:41 Health, Appearance & Playing to Win
1:03:18 Final Thoughts & Wrap-Up
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