We've created a culture where most people have just looked at is absolute down-and-outs that should be driven from the public life to the margins of society. Every person who is experiencing homelessness, if you get down on a street with them and talk to them, you're going to find trauma,. probably addiction. And so addiction as an illness, and I know some of your viewers will dispute that, won't go down that cold to sack, but I know from my own experience, it is an illness. Until you can get the right support for that, you're facing the stigma from society about the addiction. So that's one way culturally that we do with it, we just

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