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Saya aa, the budget often isn't there for the developer to spend time building the u at all. So that's why it's now ats sort of a game. Tolie, interrupt each other with thosei i cand of know it's each other. You can probly guess what i'm in to mutter. It's like bingo between us to keep it interesting. Well, karen, thank you so much for taking the time to come on. Is there anything else we haven't asked you about, or that you want to bring up while well, you're on any other interests or projects, or think so? Carleton and i doing this podcast regularly