Is There a Gap Between Van and Civis?

Van is the CRM people are using. It's not necessarily meant to be a tool to combine data and it has been that bottleneck through which a lot of our data has gone through for a really long time. So, you know, people using van need to move that data somewhere they can manipulate it a little differently with folks that are using Civis or wanting to Civis. And honestly, what we were finding was not everyone needed that data science or the arsenal of kind of message testing and all the things Civis provides. They needed a just a cheaper option for a data warehouse, things like that. There were just like enough use cases that were different than what was being provided today