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This week we are postponing the third episode in the Bonita Roy season valley. There was some unfortunate problems in the recording and I have to send it away to an editor but I will be releasing that hopefully next week. But for now I am going to be sharing with you a third conversation with Rob Berbea which is actually the first conversation that he and I had. Forgive the occasional kind of audio glitches. I think it is still a lovely conversation that is well worth listening to. And if you haven't yet heard the other conversations withrob Berbea I recommend going back and giving those a listen or if you feel called to start with this one you can start here.

In this conversation with meditation teacher and author Rob Burbea we discuss the role of fantasy in meditation, the purpose of what Rob calls the 'Soulmaking Dharma' and some common traps that can obstruct our connection with beauty on the contemplative path. This was the first conversation I had with Rob (there are two more you can listen to in the Emerge podcast stream). For various reasons I decided not to release it immediately after we recorded it, feeling that the subsequent conversations did a better job of communicating what I wanted to communicate. There were also some nasty recording problems that made it difficult at times for the conversation to be fluid and flowing. In any case this is a lovely coversation and I hope you enjoy! 🙏