Iron Mountain's Hidden Challenges

In this episode, we delve into the intriguing history of the Iron Mountain Underground Facility in Boyers, Pennsylvania—a former limestone mine converted for secure document storage by the US government. Discover how over 700 employees manually process 10,000 retirement applications each month in an outdated system plagued by inefficiencies and alleged misuse of funds. We also explore broader implications involving government corruption, deep state operations, and the political figures benefiting from bureaucratic grifts. This eye-opening discussion reveals the hidden layers of bureaucracy and the systemic challenges in modernizing government operations.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] they had an opportunity to buy it and instead it was bought, not just buy a, a shady company. Like why didn't they buy the mine? Mines don't have many other uses. Yeah. Who else is gonna use

Simone Collins: a retired limestone Mine.

Malcolm Collins: It. It should have been scrap basically in terms of buying and should able to say, well, if you don't want this mine, we'll go to another mine.

That's why the world is

Simone Collins: full of abandoned mines.

Malcolm Collins: Exactly, so why did another company come along and buy it and now has a leasing agreement with the United States? That makes no sense.

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Malcolm Collins: And then JFK apparently was going to do a major restructuring of these organizations. Oh. And cut back within these organizations. Oh no,

Simone Collins: I see where you're going here.

Malcolm Collins: And Trump was running on doing the same thing. And if you look at [00:01:00] how the assassination atti, the assassination of JFK happened

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Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I'm excited to be with you today. Today we are going to be discussing, remember what Elon was like.

It turns out they've been taking all of those government files and all that government paperwork whenever somebody retired and it needed to be stored in a lime mine limestone,

Simone Collins: Pennsylvania, our own home state,

Malcolm Collins: Pennsylvania. Yes. And there were at least pictures that that looked like a. Indiana Jones, when they're wheeling the big cart of things that are going down.

The Holy Grail. The

Simone Collins: holy

Malcolm Collins: Grail. Yeah. So I heard that and I was like, oh, wow, that's wild. I wonder how that started. And then recently, like the thought hit me again and I was like, oh, wow. That's wild. I wonder why they were doing that. Like, yeah. Why and how did all of the federal documents, like if it was just some big [00:02:00] warehouse.

I'd be like, okay,

Simone Collins: right, maybe, but like having to take it down in an elevator and being able to retire only so many people per month because. The elevator takes a long time and you can't put that many files down all at once. That's

Malcolm Collins: yeah,

Simone Collins: that

Malcolm Collins: was like, wait, what? Yeah. Oh, I should probably double click on this.

Simone Collins: Yeah. So let's double click. Yeah. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: The Iron Mountain and, and this is not me reading from an article I was going through and, and putting some, some things out was grok to try to like figure out what's, what's going on with this.

Simone Collins: Oh, alright. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Gotcha. The Iron Mountain Underground Facility in Boyers, Pennsylvania.

A former limestone mine converted for storage in the 1960s. The US government, particularly the Office of Personnel Management, OPM, began using it in 1970 for processing and storing retirement documents driven by the need for a secure climate controlled environment. Over 700 employees work. 220 feet underground, manually processing around 10,000 retirement applications monthly.[00:03:00]

This manual system unchanged since the 1970s involves passing the files by hand leading to delays, especially when the elevator breaks down. Despite efforts to the one elevator. The one elevator. Yeah. Since the 1980s costing over a hundred million dollars modernization has failed. So they've spent over a hundred million dollars and we're gonna do a dive on that with a 2014 Washington Post report, calling it a quote unquote sinkhole of bureaucracy in 2015.

Okay? Concerns about the mines ceiling degrading were raised, but no significant changes followed. That reminds me of 30 Rock where

The Celia appears to be leaky. No, it's not. We've looked into it and it's not. Uh, if you have any questions, I'll write down my extension for you.

Do you need a pen? Nope. I've kind of gotten used to it. You don't have pens? We're not in a recession. Boy, we've gotta crack the whip around here. Coer. You don't have [00:04:00] pens. The roof is leaking. No, it's not. I'll show you this study. Hey, we have a meeting with the appropriations committee like now. Oh no. I'm not prepared.

I know I'm not drunk either, but we'll manage.

Simone Collins: Oh my gosh.

Malcolm Collins: So it's not, and how do you

Simone Collins: even explain that?

Like let's say you're a local who got a job there, someone asks you on your first date, Hey, so what do you do? And you're like, well, I work in them. We're gonna mine and they're like, oh, what? Like coal or something? You're like, ah, go. Government retirement paperwork. Like what? What? This is super

Malcolm Collins: villain stuff.

This is actual super villain stuff. It is. This is not something a normal person does. No. No,

Simone Collins: not normal.

Malcolm Collins: And so as I dug, and what we're gonna find out in a second here is it may be a way of government to funnel money to like congress people and senator. Oh.

So we'll get into how it's happening.

That's pork, right?

Simone Collins: The term for that is pork.

Malcolm Collins: No. Pork is when you put in something for local spending that's meant to help you win an election. So, [00:05:00] pork would be, but isn't that like,

Simone Collins: wouldn't that be, so if someone was like, well, we'll put the mine in my.

Malcolm Collins: Yes, that would be pork, putting the wine in, in a district that is the for, for votes.

Yeah. That is not what I'm talking about. Mm-hmm. I'm talking about the direct funneling of money. I'm talking about actual fraud. Oh I, I, I'm talking about like them. Look, there's a way that a OC, despite having what, like a a hundred k salary outta the congresswoman has become a multi-millionaire in just a few years, which was previously a barista.

She has, yeah. There's a reason Bernie Sanders, despite the, you know, a hundred K salary now has multiple houses in many multimillion dollars. Wow. The people find a way to turn this grift into billions. Or the crazy case of, what's her face? Nancy Pelosi and her stock chain, Nancy Pelosi. Yeah. And I feel like that's,

Simone Collins: you know, somewhat democratized.

'cause there has to be a delo disclosure for all that. And people now have, like, I think bots that just buy whatever she buys, [00:06:00]

Malcolm Collins: that if she, they're buying it after her, then they're just further inflating the stock price.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I'm ju I'm just saying, I don't know, like, so that's

Malcolm Collins: even

Simone Collins: worse in a way. At least we know what she's doing.

I wanna know where a politician's money comes from if it's not their salaries.

Malcolm Collins: Well, you wouldn't understand just because you understand what she's investing in, it would be hard to determine. Now, unfortunately, that law that made all that public happened after the deal that would've made a bunch of politicians money off of this uhhuh happened.

So we can't easily know what's going on there, but we can see from the data that something seems to be going on. So let's go deeper here, but. The practice of storing government documents in a mine traces back to the 1960s when the US government sought a secure climate controlled location for preserving critical records.

The chosen site was a former mine in Boyer, Pennsylvania, approximately 45 miles north of Pittsburgh, operated by the Office of Personal Management. This mine was originally used. [00:07:00] For limestone extraction and was converted to a storage facility leveraging its natural underground conditions for document preservation.

By 1970, OPM established its retirement operations center within the mine, marking the formal beginning of this practice for processing federal employee retirement applications. Now the decision to use this mine was practical, given its stable temperature and humidity essential for paper.

Record longevity. Additionally, the underground location offered natural protection against disasters and unauthorized access enhancing security. In 1998, iron Mountain, a global management and storage service provider acquired the Mine's owner and has since leased the space to the government, solidifying its role as a tenant in this facility.

Simone Collins: So the government never owned the mine. They didn't buy it

Malcolm Collins: and they had an opportunity to buy it and instead it was bought, not just buy a, a [00:08:00] shady company. Like why didn't they buy the mine? Mines don't have many other uses. Yeah. Who else is gonna use

Simone Collins: a retired limestone Mine.

Malcolm Collins: It. It should have been scrap basically in terms of buying and should able to say, well, if you don't want this mine, we'll go to another mine.

That's why the world is

Simone Collins: full of abandoned mines.

Malcolm Collins: Exactly, so why did another company come along and buy it and now has a leasing agreement with the United States? That makes no sense.

Simone Collins: Another

Malcolm Collins: thing that makes no sense is usually these types of contractors that come in and do deals like this, you can get an advantage if you're like owned by a, you know, a minority veteran owned

Simone Collins: woman known, especially a, let's say you are a female disabled veteran, native American.

Yeah. Who is also half black. I think that would be amazing.

Malcolm Collins: You, you should have gotten a, what? You, you get like a 20% or like 30%. What they do is they pay well, okay. Depending

Simone Collins: on the state or entity. Or at branch of [00:09:00] the federal government, basically, depending on your status, they have to basically discount your fee by a certain percentage.

So it may be that company A, which has none of these, special statuses charges you a hundred dollars in company B, which has special status charges you $150, but they're both seen as costing $100 because you have to discount a bunch from vendor B.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. So, how, what was odd about this deal is that this company was formed just to do this and was a publicly traded company back when senators and congressmen didn't need to disclose where they were investing their money.

Simone Collins: Oh, wow. Okay. Oh, oh, that's interesting. Publicly traded. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: During a time when they didn't need to make these disclosures which was 1998, almost. What very obviously happened here is a number of politicians got together, created this [00:10:00] company. Mm-hmm. And then we're using it as an annuity. And that's why everything is still in a mine.

Oh my gosh. We'll get into this a bit more because there have been efforts to end this annuity to these, these congresspeople. Mm-hmm. And they've been scuttled. Which is horrifying considering they, we've lost hundreds of millions of dollars of US taxpayers in trying to end this process.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And this is why we need Doge. Like, like literally you cannot trust the deep state to act against the interest of their masters,

Simone Collins: especially with this being a known problem since at least 2015. When you cited that article, I mean that you would think that article should have caused some public uproar, some questions to be asked, some congressmen to be.

Emailed or phoned.

Malcolm Collins: And we also know it's not even like a safe location. The the ceiling is apparently about to cave in. Like this is, this is like, it's not like anyone was

Simone Collins: gonna go check that anyway. No one's gonna go back and check these documents.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, well here's what you might be surprised about. The Iron Mind [00:11:00] facility located 220 feet underground.

Why does it need to be so deep? It's just, it's federal employment documents employs over 700 workers who manually process. The 10,000 retirement applications each month, the process involves federal employees submitting applications on paper, either by mail or hand delivered to the OPM. These files are transported to the mine where the staff review them for completeness, perform calculations, and verify benefits, and you know, they're sending back 90% of these the first time they're sent in.

For anyone who's ever tried to apply for anything with the federal government,

Simone Collins: oh my gosh, don't even get me started.

Malcolm Collins: If, if errors are missing, information are found, documents are sent back to agencies for corrections further delaying the process.

The mine's infrastructure is likened to a small underground city featuring its own fire brigade security . Streets with a 10 mile per hour speed limit. Traffic light. Oh my gosh. I'm

Simone Collins: picturing that little car in. Austin [00:12:00] Powers

Hang on. I'm gonna floor it. Watch out. Move, move, move. Careful. Austin,

Simone Collins: and literally a super villain. Yes. This literally, this is very Austin Powers literal.

Austin Powers literal power. I hope they have little uniforms

Malcolm Collins: and addresses for its thousands of tenants who apparently live in the mine.

Simone Collins: Wait what they set

Malcolm Collins: up described in a 2014 Washington Post reported as one of the weirdest workplace in the US government involves employees. Passing files by hand, from desk to desk in Cavern to cavern.

A method unchanged since the 1970s. The report titled Data Mining The Old Fashioned Way, able to Use Oh

Simone Collins: Boy,

Malcolm Collins: of 28,000 File Cabinets. And the Slow Manual Workflow highlights the delays exacerbated by occasional elevator breakdowns. Oh God,

Simone Collins: this is painful.

Malcolm Collins: It. [00:13:00] It actually is painful.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I'm in pain. This is

Malcolm Collins: despite technological advancements, the systems that remained manual was multiple attempts to digitize it.

Since the 1980s, failing costing over a hundred million dollars, a 2023 Inspector General Report noted small steps towards digitization such as testing. An online retirement application pilot in 2024, but a full modernization remains years away. Why? It would be easy to do reasons for these failures include the complexity of the systems technical issues, and insufficient funding a hundred

Simone Collins: million dollars because no, no one else has figured out how to give retirement packages to their employees.

That's, yeah. If you

Malcolm Collins: gave like us our, our nonprofit, DEI remediation.com. $1 million. I guarantee you we could fix this. Fully automated, no problem. As [00:14:00] reported in various sources, including a 2015 government accountability office assessment, GAO and then I asked it about the a hundred million. I was like, who did this money go to?

How did you fail to digitize with a hundred million dollars? Yeah. The a hundred million dollars for modernization efforts was likely paid to consulting companies like Hullet Associates and Accenture who were contracted to digitize the Federal retirement system. The process aimed at updating paper-based retirement processing faced challenges and was canceled in 2011 after significant investment.

So.

That's impossible. It is genuinely impossible that this couldn't be done for a hundred million dollars, even at the most incompetent of firms.

Simone Collins: Again, these, this is so lost in powers. $100 million dollars. Yeah. It was stolen. It was stolen. All of this is just [00:15:00] a crazy Austin Powers plant that like, dr.

Evil decided he was going to steal $100 million from the government and didn't even have to build an evil mine because there already was one. And he, all he had to do was charge one another underground layer this much money to do something he was never gonna do. This is, this is, this is an un, this how.

How this isn't even the most expensive thing that Doge has, has revealed, of course. Like they've just already found so much more. But no,

Malcolm Collins: doge isn't even that focused on this. They're like, yeah, we need to fix this. But it's like a side note for them. By the way, you need to give a shout out. My little brother works at Doge and, and is run by famous prenatals, Elon gotta say Good job Elon.

Hell

Simone Collins: yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Batman.

Malcolm Collins: But. it hurts me that we can live in a country and know that this grift is happening and know that the taxpayers are [00:16:00] being robbed. Social security is being robbed. Medicare and Medicaid is being robbed. Yeah, I was just listening to an interview

Simone Collins: with Elon Musk in which he was talking about these call centers for the Social Security Office.

That 40% of the calls are fraudulent. And that these are people who are trying to change where the social security checks are sent. So they get sent to these fraudsters instead of the real recipients. And just that, that, that alone, like that amount of wastage, the fact that those call centers are there anyway, that there, there should be a better process for verifying this and these people are being tricked.

I just, there's so much that's, that's really, I remember

Malcolm Collins: when he was going through the social security roles and there was so much obvious fraud that wasn't shut down. 100

Simone Collins: 20-year-old people.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, no. There were people, there were people who were over 200, like 250 years old, I think was one of them. Oh, good.

200. Oh, there was more than one over 200 years old. And there was like a dozen, I wanna say over 150. These are things that anyone could have easily checked.

Simone Collins: Yeah. If

Malcolm Collins: they had cared

Simone Collins: when. Or a simple system [00:17:00] that's like, Hey, if this person's over a hundred, let's just, let's just check on 'em. Just check, make sure they're okay.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. When people fight the shutdown of Doge, this is what they're fighting for. And so you need to ask either, are they just reflexively against anything? That, that the Republicans are doing, which some of them are, some of them are just like, they can't see and they're, they're, they're firebombing, they're threatening people's lives over this, you, you see this with the Tesla fire bombs.

Tesla. Yeah. You see this as the, and I love when people are like, oh, you know, you had no problem when like Republicans were boycotting and shooting like bottles of like, Coors Light Bud Light. Bud Light, right. Sorry, Coors Light. Bud Light you would never add when we torch somebody else's Tesla and I'm like, wait, how do you struggle to see that these two things aren't comparable?

That buying Coors Light and shooting it in your backyard is not the same as lighting Bud Light [00:18:00] explosive car. Sorry, bud Light lighting an explosive car on fire. In public that you don't own, and cars are expensive. Like these, this is somebody's primary means of transportation. They might not be, I don't even, I don't think,

Simone Collins: I don't if acts of terrorism are covered in car insurance.

So that's, yeah. I don't think they are like,

Malcolm Collins: this is, this is huge hit to somebody's net worth. Especially given that these are Teslas that you're getting Yeah,

Simone Collins: man. Expensive.

Malcolm Collins: And these are, and these are

Simone Collins: probably people who bought them, you know, when they were, when they were. Before Elon Musk became politicized.

So they're probably left-leaning environmentally minded people who want to save the planet, and now they're being passed. Well, I mean, if it's a

Malcolm Collins: cyber truck, you know, that's not the case. And I think that that's what they've been targeting is cyber trucks. So, but, but even that being the case, you know, these two things are not correlated at all.

If the right. It was like burning down liquor stores that served Bud Light. [00:19:00] The left would be saying that these people should be tried as terrorists because these people. Would be terrorists. Yeah. That's the definition of terrorism I love. The left has been like freaking out. Like how can the right call these people, terrorists, what?

What are they doing? The right has never done anything remotely equivalent to this. This is a completely new phenomenon being done to support the grift, right? Yeah. And so the question is. One, it's deranged people who just like, lack the ability to think critically and are just acting on essentially orders from their masters at leftist media.

And, and, and that's really dangerous because, you know, the individuals, and I Elon pointed this out, I thought that was really powerful because it's really sad the people who are gonna end up pu punished for this are like poor people with like mental health issues. And it's not the people who understand the grift.

This is the, the reporters, this is the media. This is the you know, the people like the Young Turks. This is the people like Hassan. This is, you know, they know in the back of their heads that all this [00:20:00] stuff, a OC, all of this stuff is a lie that we're not actually living under a fascist dictatorship.

That Elon really is just trying to lower the amount of weight so that more of the US dollar can go. Two people who really need it, the modern, and that's exactly what he was saying about social security.

Simone Collins: If we fix this, there will be more social security for people.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And, and, and the modern right, is not for reducing benefits.

Like they haven't pushed that at all. Mm-hmm. They have pushed reducing waste. And so when you, when you think about waste, the question is, well then who is the waste going to? Because it's not wa is that going nowhere?

Simone Collins: Right.

Malcolm Collins: Someone's benefiting from this. And I think that that's where the anger is coming from.

That's where the anger for USAID is coming from. That's where the anger around this is coming from. Yeah. But do you have any thoughts on the terrorism claims around like the Tesla stuff and everything like that?

Simone Collins: I, I mean, it, it makes sense. It's, it's politically motivated domestic terror. I don't know what else to say. It would definitely be done the same way if it were done the, you [00:21:00] know, the. With the right. Attacking some business associated with the left. So it's bad. It's bad.

Malcolm Collins: Well then I'd get to a second thing, which is the risk of assassination.

So the JFK file, sorry, not the risk, the risks for more assassination attempts. The JFK files have started to be released by Donald Trump

Simone Collins: Right. The last time. There are so many. Right. It's, it's taking people eons to get through them.

Malcolm Collins: Mm-hmm. Well, and only a third have been released so far. Gosh. By the way, one of the things that was said when they were released is the, it was requested.

The only thing that be censored is Israel and Israeli security. Huh. So that could be benign. It could be quite severe. Because they were trying to achieve a nuclear arm at the time, and they saw that as critical to their country's survival. And, jFK was against that. And so, and they eventually achieved it.

So, you know, I can see them having some vested interest. And, and, and [00:22:00] who's to say that it wasn't critical to their country survival? You know, I can see why, you know, if I was in Israeli, I would think that at that time period, and, and potentially even today,

Simone Collins: right?

Malcolm Collins: But I don't think they'd assassinate a president over that because there's no assurance that the next president is, is gonna be on their side or that it wouldn't blow up and cause like, it's just not worth the risk.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: So I would maybe say, Hmm, I don't think that that's what was going on there. I think that maybe they knew something but the bigger issue was. Is it appears that John F. Kennedy had believed in a report was sent to him. A report that wasn't known about before saying that the CIA had like a breakaway sub faction was in it that had like its own basically secret president.

That was just making decisions completely separate from US political will. Oh.

Simone Collins: Okay.

More specifically.

Arthur, IM Berg Jr. A special assistant to President JFK Jr. Wrote a critical memo to JFK on June 10th, [00:23:00] 1961,

shushing report highlighted the CIA's autonomy. Noting that 47% of political officers in US embassies were CIA agents undercover, often operating without informing the State Department or embassies. He criticized the agency's clandestine operations such as recruiting agents in friendly countries like Singapore or Japan and Pakistan, which risked diplomatic embarrassment.

Malcolm Collins: And if you're like, oh, that could, I mean obviously that could happen, like if you're an organization, what

Simone Collins: was justification for that?

Malcolm Collins: No, no justification. Just, you know, they're trying to promote American interests around the world, right?

And so, mm-hmm. They think that, well, you know, the public can't know about what we're doing. Government employees can't know about what we're doing. Often like other government employees can't know about what we're doing and we're getting money for this. Like, why, why would a person in a position of like that with no serious oversight?

Because if other people can't know about what you're doing, you have no oversight. Can't determine their own will. And if that person has political [00:24:00] ideology, right? Mm-hmm. And at the time these organizations were very Republican, which runs at odds with a new president like JFK. They might just decide to ignore what the new president would want them to do in terms of foreign policy because they think it's in the best interest of the nation and they're all unelected officials.

Wow. And so, and I point out here when people talk about Elon being an unelected official, it's like, yeah. Except Donald Trump when he was running, mentioned he was going to do Doge a lot. Yeah. That was very,

Simone Collins: very transparent.

Malcolm Collins: He let Elon run it. Yeah. And, and the government has

Simone Collins: always been full of unelected officials that we don't know about.

We were never informed about, we didn't get to think about them as potentially being involved during the election. All these things. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So anyway somebody. Had reached out to JFK about this. Like, he'd not reached out, he'd done a report, he paid some guy to do a report, and the report was like, yeah, this is going on.

Okay, this is real. And then JFK apparently was going to do a major restructuring of these organizations. Oh. And cut back within these organizations. Oh no,

Simone Collins: [00:25:00] I see where you're going here.

Malcolm Collins: And Trump was running on doing the same thing. And if you look at how the assassination atti, the assassination of JFK happened in an unprotected environment.

Uhhuh, he was doing this motorcade, you know, was out the top on. And but Larry in there.

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Right. And they, and they didn't check potentially obvious places like the book Depository where they could have been shot from. And we, oh my gosh know, oh my gosh. What? Both Lee Harvey Oswald and the guy who assassinated Lee Harvey Oswald, but I think it's specifically Lee Harvey Oswald.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Supposedly like a nobody. Right. He had, it was either a CIA or FBI contingent watching him, like monitoring him and his family before this. Before the attempt. Mm. So it wasn't like they didn't know that he was a risk, it was more like, oh, we know this person is a risk. And potentially his former commander in the military [00:26:00] Yeah.

Said that he left to join the CIA.

Now later, that guy I think he ended up dying or something. And then there was a, a famous a guy in he was like a, a counter spy guy. I'll add him in post, who also said, that there was a, a, a breakaway anti-US faction within the CIA or f fbi, the deep state basically that had motivation for this assassination.

The guy I am thinking of is George Day Mohit, a Russian I ire with ties to the oil industry and intelligence community. Befriended Oswald in Dallas in 1962 to 1963 after Oswald's return from the Soviet Union declassified JFK files confirmed. He was a CIA asset debriefed by the agency about Oswald, and had contacts with CIA officials, including George Jonas.

In his memoir, I Am a Patsy written before his desk suggests Oswald was manipulated by intelligent services aligning with the idea of a breakaway [00:27:00] faction. In 1976, he wrote a letter to CIA Director George HW Bush, pleading for protection from harassment by unspecified forces, implying agency overreach, his memoirs and interviews suggest Oswald was a scapegoat in a larger plot potentially involving Rogue CIA agents Damer Schwar.

Died in March 29th, 1977 in Minola, Florida from a gunshot wound to the head, officially ruled a suicide. However, his deaths occurred shortly before he was scheduled to testify before the House Select Committee on assassinations HSCA about his ties to Oswald fueling speculation of foul play. The timing combined with his claims of being harassed has led many to view his deaths as suspicious

in another instance, Gary Underhill, a former military intelligence officer, and CIA consultant, um, reportedly told friends in 1964 that a quote, small clique was in the cia a was responsible for JFK's assassination. In [00:28:00] quote, he died. , just a few months later, in May 8th, 1964 from a gunshot wound to the head officially ruled a suicide, but the circumstances were suspicious.

, and then we also have EE Howard Hunt, a CIA officer involved in Covert operations. Hunt confessed on his deathbed in 2007 to hearing of a CIA conspiracy to kill JFK,

Malcolm Collins: and it happened very similar to the Trump attempted assassinations, where if you look at the Trump assassination, particularly the one where the kid was on a roof mm-hmm. Like that roof was the only raised position anywhere near this location. Yeah. There is no reason. That, that shouldn't have been covered.

Yeah, they said they had nobody covering it 'cause it was sloped and it was in between the local police and the Secret Service. Not buying that. What, that makes no sense. I don't buy that. It's literally the only location, literally the only location you should have had somebody trained and they apparently had multiple counter snipers and the crowd saw the guy get into position and not them

Simone Collins: and attempted to warn them multiple times.[00:29:00]

Malcolm Collins: And what was gonna happen when Trump was, all these people would lose their jobs, that he would go against their new agenda. The deep State's agenda, like the Deep State isn't new. The deep State has been around for a long time. And now it, and in the nineties once thing we often mentioned is that the Republicans, if you're talking the eighties, nineties, especially back in the JFK Times, mm-hmm.

The urban monoculture didn't have control of this country. It was a Judeo-Christian coalition that had control of this country and attempted to impose their values on other people. And people interested in imposing the values on the dominant of the dominant culture on the population. They controlled a lot of our agencies and everything like that.

And the government and the Republican party at the time stood for that. If you look today, the Republican Party stands against it was the Democrats representing the dominant cultural group, the urban monoculture which attempts to oppose its values on Christians and Jews and other conservative factions like ourselves.

And it would only make sense that they now control these types of organizations like the NSA. You watch our episode on the Trans Cult that was found inside the [00:30:00] NSA like of course they have control of these organizations and the only way to fix this is to clean them out, but we should expect.

You know, likely they have already tried to get Trump assassinated. I a hundred percent, like, I, I, I, I think it's implausible if you look at the layout of the location where that assassination attempt happened that given that they had like 20 security at that location that nobody was looking at, the only raised position and the kid didn't like quickly come out there, he was like, slow about this.

This is so dark, you know, oh my gosh, this is dark. But we're seeing that this has happened before and we're seeing that it happened again. Fighting bureaucracy and fighting corruption means that you're fighting people's income source that they are using to get where, you know, whether it's a OC or Nancy Pelosi, or the woman who is head of the Secret Service who had, why was a woman head of the Secret Service when almost no women are in the secret service.

That makes no sense. Like obviously she wasn't the most qualified [00:31:00] candidate.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I'm just, I'm wondering how, how these things get executed. Presumably only a couple people know. Mm-hmm. And, and like Trump has said again and again, like my secret sauce is amazing. I'm really grateful for them. This is the way I assume it

Malcolm Collins: happened, by the way, to, to prevent, like, because I don't think a lot of people would've known about this.

I think the woman who was head of the Secret Service at the time, Uhhuh I think the way they explained the failure was accurate. She created a super tight zone of control that was the secret services. Mm-hmm. And then a separate zone of control that with the local police. Mm-hmm. And ensured there was a gap between these two zones of control that included the only raised space.

From which somebody could attempt to assassinate the president.

Simone Collins: Oh, so you, you think she was complicit?

Malcolm Collins: I think that it was her and whoever was working with her, I don't think it was just because her as officers on the field.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: I think that that, because you wouldn't create [00:32:00] zones of control like that, like that's insane.

Why was there a gap between the two zones of control?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: That includes also like if you were a secret

Simone Collins: service officer, you'd probably. Yeah, I mean just 'cause your life is on the line. If the president gets shot at you probably aren't gonna be complicit in the things that have the president. Well, I mean,

Malcolm Collins: not really.

There's the famous photo of the secret service officer driving like behind the president or whatever, or what? Hiding behind the president. Yeah. There's some fat woman who's who was a, a secret service officer. They're the famous picture of her. Like cowering behind the president. Oh no. Yeah. So that is, this is who we're hiring these days.

I, I, I, I hope the president, you know, doesn't clean up of, of the organization. I, I assume he, he has, you know, his life's on the line. I hope that they protective cont to protect Elon because, you know, when Elon gets to the TI, I think has good, private,

Simone Collins: secure. I don't think he, after everything he has experienced when working.

With the government. You think he's gonna use government security because I don't think he's gonna use government security [00:33:00] if he wants to live. No,

Malcolm Collins: true That, true that, and he's

Simone Collins: had private security, I'm sure for like. All of his life, so, well, not all of his, but all of his, his, you know, fancy person life.

So Yeah. I'm sure he's just sticking with that.

Malcolm Collins: I he's talked about being afraid of it fairly frequently

Simone Collins: afraid for his life.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Like he, well he

Simone Collins: should be obviously, but I don't think he's using government security or else he wouldn't be talking because he would be dead.

Malcolm Collins: True. I think what we're probably gonna see is, and I do worry for my brother Albert, this somebody on Doge is.

I could totally see that.

Simone Collins: I really hope, I hope they have security.

Malcolm Collins: One of the thing, and, and also it's not just that if, if he fails at this, he's gonna end up in jail. One of the things that was said to me is that like, this is the game and if you fail at Elon, the last person who had Elon's basically job was Steve Bannon. He failed to get anything meaningful done and he ended up in jail as a [00:34:00] result of his failure.

Because look, DOH has already got a

Simone Collins: ton done. So I mean, how do you define fail if failing is just Democrats win in the next major election? That's not, you need to

Malcolm Collins: clean out the deep state. All of the rot. If you don't get the rot out then you are personally at risk because they will use, look at what happened to Lapin.

Right? Did you see the, oh my gosh, recently.

Simone Collins: Yes. Oh my gosh.

Malcolm Collins: And I saw on Reddit, they were like cheering for this. They were like, course they were, it showed the USA, like not understanding how things are done and then France being like, this is how you get Right-Leaning politicians in jail. Like. Yeah.

And that's the way they see things. They think that they should have, the right, as we saw was the A FD in Germany where when the episode we were talking about Germany, the majority of Germans voted for a parties that wanted to reduce immigration, either the A FD or conservatives. Yeah. And yet Germany is forming a coalition that doesn't want that because they will not work with [00:35:00] EAFD.

Yeah. Despite this supposedly. Far right party being run by a lesbian in an interracial relationship who lives in Switzerland. Not enough. Not enough. Oh, yes. She's such a far right. Nationalist. Yeah, that's

Simone Collins: far right. It's classic far right stuff.

Malcolm Collins: Classic class. Elon Musk, obsessed with global warming, found multiple companies to deal with it.

Lifelong Democrat. Classic. Far right. Nazi.

Simone Collins: Those really, really used to work. This is bad. That's, that's, that's really scary though. I,

Malcolm Collins: But if you, if we can disrupt this, if we can and people are freaking out. What do you think about the Trump third term talk?

Simone Collins: It's fine.

Malcolm Collins: It's fine. Yeah. But he's gonna be so old then, you know, I, I don't even know. I, I, I prefer a JD Vance. But we'll see. I mean, look, if what we would have is we'd have, the, the only [00:36:00] reason I would prefer Trump run the next cycle is it's gonna be pretty hard to win the next cycle if Trump wins, RU runs.

Or if a Republican runs more broadly. I mean, I think we're just in an environment where it's gonna be hard to win. And so, if he wins, then that puts a loss on him rather than JD Vance and allows JD Vans to run in a cycle where he is likely to win. Mm-hmm. And I think if you're, if you've looked at like the tech, right, being efficient at getting stuff done, imagine when the tech rite is run by the tech, right?

Simone Collins: Pretty dreamy. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Pretty dreamy. Yeah, no, I think JD Vance, like I, I am, I'm so looking forward to president JD Vance. I like President Trump. I like Maga, I love President JD Vance. Sad. We can't have a President, Elon, 'cause he's born in Africa, but maybe that law gets changed like in what, what movie is that?

Dis destruction, demolition Man. When he changes to Arnold Schwarzenegger can become president. That that did predict Arnold Schwarzenegger becoming a politician though Governor of California, [00:37:00] nobody, everybody was, was, I think that's why they voted on him to be like, we gotta make that prediction in that movie come true.

But that movie, by the way, demolition Man, if you haven't seen it, you should. It's actually a really solid movie. And it's a movie about at the time what they called PC culture. What today we would call woke culture Taking over the world. And what that world run by ultra woke culture would look like, where you're not allowed to say things or think things or do things, and it's all run by a few oligarchs.

Then everything has to be ultra pc. You can't, you can't even curse in public. And I think that. Yeah, dude, don't you know what the three clamshells do? This guy hasn't seen this three clamshell. It's got great memes. That could never be made by Hollywood today. Oh no, the counterculture can't win.

Simone Collins: Probably not. Yeah,

You see, we have become a society of peace, loving and and understanding, You'll give you a marrow. Uh, smoking is not good for you and has been deemed that anything not good for you is bad.

Hence, illegal alcohol, caffeine contact sports meat. Are [00:38:00] you me? John Spart, you are fined one pretty for a violation of the verbal morality statute. What the hell is that? John, you are fined. Wonder, bad language. Chocolate, gasoline, uneducational toys in anything spicy. Abortion is also illegal, but then again, so is pregnancy.

If you don't have a license,

Malcolm Collins: well, our AI video game, it's gonna go hard into the stuff you're not allowed to talk about or do in entertainment, and it's gonna be good.

Simone Collins: I'm, so you look at our school

Malcolm Collins: recently. Have you seen the, the Collins Institute recently? Simone, like, it's so good now.

Simone Collins: I played with it today. It blew my mind.

I was so excited. It's like

Malcolm Collins: a Socratic AI tutor. Oh, it's amazing. It taught me

Simone Collins: more about cephalopods, which was exciting. Do you know the three types of cephalopods?

Malcolm Collins: Okay. I'm gonna say the three major groups. Quis, cuttlefish, and octopus. But I, not a list would need to be one of them. Okay. Octopus and squids are in the same category.

So octopus squids one category then cuttlefish, then Nautilus.

Simone Collins: No, it just, it just didn't give me Cuttlefishes separate. [00:39:00] It had octopus and squid and Nautilus. So maybe cuttlefish are categorized as like, what's the third then? Edia, Nautilus, squid octopi. But they have faint, oh, Latin setting. The

Malcolm Collins: cuttlefish is in the octopus category or in the squid category.

Maybe

Simone Collins: I wouldn't, I might put it in the Nautilus category based on how they look. I don't know. But I mean, maybe there are more categories than the three major ones are those I. But yeah, I'm learning, I'm learning about 'em. Cephalopod we'll

Malcolm Collins: see. I love you to death. It's a fun website to play around on to learn on if you want.

It no longer locks you into specific tracks. It's really focused around the AI tutor now. It's, it's quite impressive. I think more people search any

Simone Collins: subject you wanna learn about and have an AI tutor talk you through it or have a Socratic tutor or engage you over it. It's so cool.

Malcolm Collins: It's all free too. So you know, again, we put our money where our mouth is.

We pay for this stuff so that you guys can become more educated for free. Love you the

Simone Collins: testimon. I love you too, Malcolm. And

Malcolm Collins: [00:40:00] tonight we're doing red curry, red tiger curry,

Simone Collins: red tide, curry. I'm just about to go down and put in the bell peppers as a final bit 'cause you don't wanna overcook those. You want them to be a little crunchy.

Right. And. I guess you're gonna have it with lime rice or do you want it with non or something else?

Malcolm Collins: No. Hash brown.

Simone Collins: Okay. Hash browns take like 45 minutes.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, they take longer. Okay. Ignore the hash brown lime rice. I.

Simone Collins: Okay, well if I, if I can get her no

Malcolm Collins: lime rice, I want it with lime rice today. You've made the new curry batch.

And so that's like a big amount of work. And we're doing, you know, you're gonna be doing the family call. Gotta catch up with family. Let them know that we've been in the New York Times on the BBC in Mother Jones, in wired, in the major Italian outlets having a another documentary team come to our house.

Come on, we're hitting it outta the

Simone Collins: park. Two, two more. Two more documentary teams.

Malcolm Collins: We got it. Oh, we gotta keep it. Wait, what's the other one? We got the Italian one and then yeah, Gregorio and

Simone Collins: then story syndicate.

Malcolm Collins: Wait, when are they coming?

Simone Collins: [00:41:00] Story syndicate . Gregorio, is this Friday and Saturday?

Malcolm Collins: Well, is quite a ways away. Anyway, love you de Esteban.

Simone Collins: I love you too. Gorgeous.

What? Oh, wow. What the heck is going on here? What have you been doing in your bed? I was, I I was, shall I help opening this? Yeah, you gotta open the bow. So let's open the bow first. Right. So we gotta like, pull the, I just got some, I just, I just, you were just collecting cars. Yeah, I was. And you were just collecting rocks too.

Yeah. Well, what's that? It's bag. Oh a bag. Nothing's inside.

But look, what's this? I need open this, but how? Tell my help. Sorry, [00:42:00] I got this. It's so stuck. So I do there. It should be easier now.

What is the box? But let's open it. I may help open this box. Oh, okay. What's on the box? You see on the box? What's the picture? Whoa. What is this? What a Susan. Well, first Isa. Wow. Wow. Okay. Let's see what the rest of this is. Another hat. No, it's not a hat. It's a pocket vest. Oh. It's got so many pockets for rocks and cars. What do you wanna put it on? Yeah. Wow. You're gonna be putting things in your pockets all night long. Yeah, because this, because this [00:43:00] got so many pockets.

Wow.