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Are you an aspiring author dreaming of writing full-time? Join Nathan and Nat, two online writers navigating the murky waters of the publishing world, as they pull back the curtain on their journeys to becoming professional authors. With refreshing honesty and hard-won insights, they'll share the ups and downs, rejections and victories, and everything they're learning along the way.

Whether you're hoping to publish fiction or nonfiction, traditionally or independently, this is a candid, unfiltered look at what it really takes. Nathan and Nat don't hold anything back as they workshop each other's drafts, swap tips for overcoming hurdles, and get real about their numbers, pitches, and publishing experiences. It's the inside scoop you won't find anywhere else—the ideal listening companion for any writer seeking to turn their dream into a career.

[0:00] Nat & Nathan's backgrounds as online writers navigating the publishing world
[0:23] Nathan's history writing a novel and querying 60+ agents
[4:07] Nat's experience publishing Crypto Confidential
[6:32] The power of building an audience as an author
[11:15] Major differences in getting a fiction vs. nonfiction book deal
[14:28] Navigating traditional vs. self-publishing paths
[18:06] Feedback from Nat's agent that led to scrapping his sci-fi novel
[21:47] The pitfalls of over-editing too early
[23:44] Getting comfortable deleting your work
[27:23] Writing tips for conflict and excitement
[35:11] Using familiar settings like schools to offset complex magic/tech systems
[36:40] Creating flawed, relatable protagonists
[39:05] Current reads & book recommendations

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