When someone is pushing the more alternative medicine, natural kind of narrative here, specific to menopause? So the conflicts could have been they've had a personal journey and they've become evangelical about what improved their health. It could be that they're actually, if you look a bit deeper, they're selling a product. They may be involved in some alternative medicine that they have a financial gain from you believing them. Yeah, when I looked at this doctor's website, it was quite clear. There was a lot of supplements being sold, courses for four and a half thousand dollars and a whole bunch of things. And actually one thing that was being sold on her website,. which leads in

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