263: Let's Get Alex Epstein on Bill Maher
The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe
Is This Going to Get Better or Worse?
"We're all in a knife fight in a phone booth with this thing, and it's just so fast and so ugly," he says. "I'm optimistic about if you're not persuading people and you think you're right, you might be able to become five or ten times more persuasive", the author adds. 'i've now gone on many shows where the host will be noticeably persuaded by the end'
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