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I feel like Logan Paul does a really nice job with his thumbnails for his impulse. Think about Colin Samir too. They actually treat the opening few minutes of the episode like a normal YouTube video. I think because you see that a lot, you see the Joe Rogan's in the Logan Pauls and a lot of their thumbnails are just a photo of them. It's maybe not even a very great thumbnail for some of these people out there who get a lot of views. But if you're just starting out and people don't know you, what's your podcast about? That might actually be a little bit more clickable than somebody that I have no context around. Or

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