What happens when the surge in electricity demand comes faster than we can build the infrastructure to support it? Live in front of an audience at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, host Ed Crooks leads a conversation on the future of the US energy grid, skyrocketing load from data centers and electrification, and why politics keeps getting in the way of practical solutions.

Neil Chatterjee, the former Chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC), has spent a long time working on the interaction of markets and policy in energy. He says: “America needs to take the politics out – or the lights go out.” Is overzealous federal regulation really undermining the reliability of the grid? How can we win support for realistic solutions that will keep the lights on and ChatGPT on line.

Joining Ed and Neil to discuss these questions is regular guest Amy Myers Jaffe, who is director of the Energy, Climate Justice & Sustainability Lab at NYU. She proposes that AI might not be the cause of both blackouts and a climate catastrophe. She argues that we might actually save more energy from using AI than we consume in powering the data centers that support it.

Debating the issues with Amy, Ed and Neil is Cecilio Velasco, managing director in infrastructure at KKR, a global investment firm that deploys capital in infrastructure. Cecilio brings the investor view on what it will take to unlock the trillions in capital needed for a reliable and resilient energy system in the age of AI.

The panel address the uncomfortable truth that the US may need every available electron – from wind and solar to batteries to nuclear power and gas – to meet its goals.

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