Sonia: If you were a trader and had some crystal ball that told you when the stock market was going to go up or down, my name's Sonia. You could buy or sell this and make money whenever the stock market went down. But for the rest of us, if we're going to use this at all in a portfolio, we would be using it as some kind of insurance. The people getting a cut are AGF,. Got these quant funds and they are getting this large expense ratio of 2.57%. So they're being well compensated for this thing. Other than that, there's no real way to be successful with this.