George towner asks, how did the indigenous peoples of north america create kivas that capture the rising sun on the spring and fall equinox? An example being chaco canyon in new mexico. Somebody's been around. Somebodys doing some home work. All right, and tat what what sombody have to say about the oe smokes? Well, like down southwest, those are my collaborators, nancy merryboy and david macgay. They're a navajo denay, and they can talk about the pablea and the dena connections and the chaco canyon. So we've got to call a quits there. It's been

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